Showing posts with label Writing Groups. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Writing Groups. Show all posts

Sunday, 27 October 2024

Happy New Year! by Claire Fayers

The old Welsh tradition of Halloween, Nos Calan Gaeaf, marks the end of the harvest and the beginning of the new season of winter, so it seems appropriate (to me at least) to be beginning new things at this time of year.

I'm heavily involved in the Abergavenny Writers' Festival and ever since the last one, people have been asking me if there's a local writers' group they can join. Then a local restaurant advertised, saying they wanted to use their upstairs space for community groups and were particularly interested in author events.

I've been in writers' groups before, but I've never run one so I was hesitant because of the commitment and the potential for a lot of extra work. But what could be the worst that would happen? I find it's too much to manage and I stop doing it and maybe a few people are disappointed.

After a few chats with the events co-ordinator  at the restaurant, I set a date and created the all-important Facebook group.

Very soon, I received an email from someone who used to run a drop-in session for writers in the town. No commitment, turn up as and when you like for some writing and chat on a writing-related topic. It sounded ideal.

We've had two meetings so far, with around 15 people at each, and the Facebook group is currently at 36 people. We have a good mix of people from beginners to published authors writing across a whole range of genres. After the first meeting, where we set some ground rules, we decided to meet fortnightly, with most people aiming to come once a month. The first hour is for writing and I was assuming we'd just get on with whatever we were working on, but it turned out people wanted prompts so I've been looking up exercises and recycling some of the Folly Farm workshops.




From my experience so far, some tips:

Make sure the venue knows you're coming. Both weeks so far, the events person forgot to tell anyone we'd booked the space and so there was a bit of a scramble to get tables together. I talked the manager yesterday and we have our space confirmed from now on (I hope!)

Arrive early. In case there are any problems with the venue (see above), and in case anyone turns up early. It's nice to order and drink and settle in before the troops arrive in any case.

Make a plan and set expectations up front. That way, people can plan their evening, and it minimises the potential for one person to take over the whole group - something I'd been warned about.

Be flexible. We have a few people who sit with headphones on and just write. Others who want to chat. I suspect we'll  end up with one end of the table being for silent writers and the other for people who wants prompts, exercises and discussion.

Keep your expectations low. Not as in 'this will be terrible', but going in without any assumptions.

Be clear what you, personally, want. I decided before the first meeting that I wanted to use the time to try out new ideas and play, writing by hand. Maybe something I write will find its way into a book, but I'm there to have fun.

If anyone has run a group, how did it go? And if anyone has any tips for writing prompts and discussion topics, please do let me know.

Nos Calan Gaeaf hapus! / Happy Halloween.


www.clairefayers.com



Thursday, 25 November 2021

An addiction - by Holly Race

I have an addictive personality. It's something I realised quite early on, and as a result I chose to side-step the experimental phase some people go through in their teens and twenties, fearing that I wouldn't be able to regulate myself.

So it's been something of a shock to realise that I've inadvertently become addicted to something despite my best efforts... I've become addicted to writing groups.

It all started seven years ago, when an acquaintance offered to arrange a coffee between me and an agent friend of his. At that point, I had never shared my writing efforts with anyone, pressing them close to my chest, promising myself that by the time I showed them to someone else, they would be perfect. The agent read my work, and said, 'You can write, but for god's sake, join a feedback group. You'll improve so much faster.'

I took her words to heart, and applied to Faber Academy's Writing a Novel course. My first 'PP' (six years on and none of us can now remember what this stands for - personal project? peer presentation?) was terrifying. Fifteen near-strangers had read the opening 5000 words of my book, and were now discussing it around a table. Did I get criticism? Absolutely. Did I also get a confidence boost? Also absolutely. Where I learnt most of my craft, though, was in giving feedback, not receiving it. It's much easier to spot problems - and solutions - to someone else's book baby than it is your own, but once you've spotted them in someone else's work, it's easier to find and fix the same issues in your own. After the Faber course finished, many of us continued to meet on a monthly basis to read and discuss each other's writing. We took a few years off, but have recently started again on Zoom. My work in progress has been given a new direction and new energy as a result of my peers' constructive criticism.

As for my addiction? Well, my Faber peers aren't the only group I now belong to. There's also a 6am writers' Zoom, running every weekday for my fellow early birds. We gather in our pyjamas, tea in hand and bleary-eyed, chat for five minutes, write for fifty and then chat for another five. I've written and edited many thousands of words as a result, all before the sun is up. There's a group for screenwriters and actors, meeting monthly to read scripts out loud. And my fourth writing group is in person: a little gathering of Cambridge-based authors who meet up for coffee, gossip and the occasional writing sprint.

Each one is priceless in different ways. Each one provides companionship that can so often be lacking from the writing process, and a group of excellent minds to bounce ideas off. As addictions go, it could be worse.

Now, whenever aspiring writers ask me for advice, I parrot the words of that agent, without which I absolutely wouldn't be a published author today: 'Get thee to a writing group'.

Tuesday, 16 April 2019

Setting Up a Critique Group by Claire Fayers

A lot of people have written on the subject of critiquing before, but it’s something that’s fresh on my mind. A couple of months ago, I got together with another Cardiff SCBWI (Society of Children’s Book Writers and Illustrators) member to set up a critique group for middle-grade and young adult fiction.

These are some of the considerations we faced. I hope they’ll be useful to others setting up or running groups.

Know your group

We have a mixed bunch in Cardiff. A couple are just starting out. A couple are Golden Egg Academy members and progressing rapidly. One person is getting ready to submit his first novel. And one person is published.


Could we set up a group that would meet at least some of the needs of such a diverse mix of writers?

Where, When and What?

We tried an online critique group once before and it never got off the ground. The first problem was time – with six or seven members, even if we limited everyone to a 1500 word extract a month, it was a big commitment for the critiquers. The second problem was the way we wrote. Our group is full of pantsters – writing by the seats of our pants and making stuff up as we go. Very often, by the time we received comments on an extract, we’d already deleted that bit from our work in progress, or changed it beyond recognition.


A traditional crit group, then, was probably not going to work. Instead, we decided to meet every other month, in people’s homes. This would be easier than trying to book a venue and would (we hoped) create a more casual, friendly atmosphere.

Each meeting would be based around a topic, and we’d try a mix of discussion and writing exercises. In our planning meeting, we quickly came up with a long list of topics: Editing, world building, characters, dialogue, humour, pacing. And then there were the different genres and the differences between middle-grade and young adult fiction. Within ten minutes we had enough subjects to keep us going for years.

This was also supposed to be a critique group, however, so we would use the time between meetings to restart the online critique.


Rules of engagement

We didn’t set many rules for the critiquing as we want it to be as easy as possible, but there were a few to help us along.

Critiquing is all carried out via a Dropbox folder, which everyone is expected to access. Communication about the group has so far been carried out on the SCBWI Wales Facebook group but I can see us setting up an email list for members in the future. The whole aim is to make everything as easy as possible for people to connect. 


  • The author may submit an extract of 1,500 words maximum, plus a short outline. Preferably in double-spaced, 12 point font so it’s easy to read.
  • The author should ask one or two specific questions about aspects of their work.
  • There will be deadlines for submission of work and submission of critiques.
  • If you submit an extract, you must critique the rest of the group’s work.

You’ll notice that most of these rules are aimed at the author. We didn’t do this deliberately, but it struck me later that we talk a lot about how to give a critique and a lot less about how to receive one. Make it easy for a reader and you improve your chances of getting feedback that will help you.

Does it work?

It’s early days yet. We have had our first meeting and done the first round of critiques. But I think this hybrid meet-up/online model might work for us. I’m looking forward to seeing what develops.



Claire Fayers is the author of The Accidental Pirates duo, Mirror Magic and Storm Hound, all published by Macmillan Children's Books.


Monday, 31 August 2015

KINDRED SPIRITS by Penny Dolan



In September, the year’s rhythm changes. The summer’s visits and visitors have gone. In their place comes that urgent need to get that work-in-progress not only progressed but blooming well finished! Yet, even as you slide into blissful solitude, alone with your screen or notebook, that dreadful anxiety starts to bite and you find yourself needing what Anne of Green Gables called a kindred spirit.




There’s a special value in friends who don’t see writing as a glam & easy task, who don’t consider you obsessive when you’re maunder about your work and who might even be able to help with some of your writing problems. So, pondering on writerly support, I started asking around about the different ways to find such help.

For a start, I expect there’s a Writer’s Circle near you. I was once involved in a local group and now sometimes speak at such gatherings. Each group will have its own energy, ethos, ambience and range of members and if these combine to offer what you want, that’s great.  Many run to a traditional format: a programme of talks, workshops, competitions & adjudications, with regular manuscript evenings in between. Such evenings can be interesting and sociable but, in my experience, this busy pattern doesn’t quite suit a focus on longer fiction. I’ve also met rather mixed responses to writing for children & young people and to being published, but maybe that was me. Even so, with patience, you might find a kindred spirit or two there and can meet up quietly in your own time.  I still have a couple of good friends and now and again we do just that.

Or there’s a “Writing Practice” Group. The variant I’ve heard about is probably invaluable for providing motivation and keeping you writing in low or fallow times. Such groups meet monthly, weekly or whatever suits them. How do they work? One person – not always the same organiser – introduces a starting point or writing exercise. Then everyone writes on that topic for a certain time, and afterwards there will be time to read out work.  I’m not sure these groups aim for publication – this is writing practice just for yourself and for the pleasure of being like a student again: a blessing when you’ve been got at by too many author visits.

Many writers find themselves what’s sometimes called a  Writing “Buddy”. Personally, I am not fond of the “buddy” term as it always sounds sporty and formal and cheerful and the very opposite of my writing mood. 

However, I’ve been asking around and finding out about people’s writing friends - and “how it works”. The most formal arrangement was described by my first contact, who met her buddy for lunch on a regular basis. Originally they’d been tutor and student but now as friends, they helped each other. Although one was published, the other wasn’t yet “although she is a terrific writer, and though they both wrote children’s fiction, their work was very different, They arrange to meet whenever they have a WIP that’s stalled, or are near the end of a project or just need support and they swap draft chapters and talk about the pieces when they meet. “We are honest (the mss are always covered in red) though we are quite careful of each other.”  
Over lunch, they toss ideas about, treating each other’s work with sensitivity but also making use of each other’s strengths - “ X is great at planning and plotting” -,as well as discussing grammar & style and what they’ve read that might be useful or that might be in a similar vein.  This buddying sounded ideal and efffective but it also came with a warning:  “Beware of getting too dependent on your buddy”. It may not be easy to deal without the support of such a relationship if other circumstances suddenly make meetings impossible.

My second writer met up, every six weeks, for lunch with two friends she’d made on a writing course twenty years before. They'd chat, commiserate and very occasionally, when the work needed it, share writing. 

She said “You need to choose your writing buddies carefully. You have to be on the same wavelength.” I
It certainly shouldn't feel like this:



A third writer meets up with her writing friend whenever they feel the need, sometimes just posting a message on Facebook asking if the other is free. She says “neither of us feels tied to it. We meet when we have time and it is very flexible. They meet for two or three hours during which they chat about anything that is ongoing or that they are having problems with. Occasionally they will ask the other to read their work, if there is something on which they’d welcome thoughts, but they are “both very busy and are wary of intruding on the other’s writing time”.  This writer’s friend writes historical and women’s fiction, as well as being a successful playwright – maybe at one time almost acting as an informal mentor? -   but now the two clearly value their writing relationship and both are interested in working in YA and fantasy. “I find it really useful. It helps to get another view on things, to have someone to talk things out with. It has to be someone I can totally trust.”

The fourth writer has a brother for a writing friend.  Two “historical writers”, they began by read each others work and chatting about writing when they were out walking. Although one is an experienced author and the other a new, unpublished writer, they value each others strengths: “He is an artist and so has that sense of balance, pattern and structure and reads wisely”.
I found the next stage of the partnership interesting. They had both reached a point when their writing felt stuck so for a while, after the walks, they went into a pub, bought a drink and wrote in silence for an hour. Afterwards, “we could talk and the talk was often about the books and the problems we were having.”  Their talk was usually about problems with planning and plotting. They do not read their work aloud, nor look at each others work unless asked.  
This writer’s comments offer a good analysis of why support, even the very best, can be unhelpful as well as helpful. “We are both reluctant to read each other’s work in progress, as we feel that too much advice at such a delicate stage can knock you off balance and send the work in directions you never wanted it to go. I’ve found this, in the past. Sometimes the better the advice, the worse I can be – because you’re more inclined to try and follow good, experienced advice, even if it’s wrong for you or for this particular book. For this reason I’ve always avoided writing groups. It’s not that I think they couldn’t advise me – it’s that I fear I’m too suggestible and would run after any and all advice and become utterly confused.”
It was clear that all these different forms of writing friendship were subtly tuned to each pair’s particular personalities and needs. Empathy and patience were as much a part of each mix as writing craft.

Online Critique Groups.
Sometimes it’s just not possible to meet other writer in person, and this is when the online critique groups are a good thing. Although the groups are confidential, a couple of writers gave me some general feedback on how their group or groups work. (Thank you!)
            One explained that she joined a small online critique group because she wanted an independent view of her work. Over time, that original group grew, split into smaller groups and developed a YA off-shoot. A crit group requires a serious level of commitment so limiting the membership to eight or ten people makes keeping up with everyone’s efforts an easier task.  Each member is supposed to submit up to 3,000 words each month and everyone is expected to offer them their critique, which will depend on the stage the ms is at, as well as any particular requests from the author. Some members now have publishing deals, so the group is currently considering if they need to make changes, especially as some members are now writing middle grade and/or picture books, not just YA. Needless to say, each member will have a different writing style too.

How do they share their crits? The long, detailed comments are posted on the group’s private blogger platform but, as one of the writers said:  “Recently we’ve been geared towards longer pieces of work, which we email through the associated Googlegroup.”  The members do try to meet when they can. “Due to geographical practicalities, it’s not often, but it’s lovely when we do”.  Each month, they chat on Skype and/or share various issues on a private facebook group. I was most impressed by the involvement and support these groups established and I’ve seen for myself the close bonds between SCBWI friends and members. As I was told:“We are incredibly supportive.  Many of us have been published since the group was set up.  It’s lovely to feel involved in someone’s published book, especially when mentioned in the acknowledgements!”
However, you do need to find time to do your own work and do that month’s crits properly, as well as wording your comments so that you don’t offend anyone. “A good crit group needs to spring from careful honesty – there are ways of saying things and it’s only your opinion – try not to give or take offence!” My contacts were enthusiastic about what they got in return: “The free and often brilliant techniques as well as the support, general advice and friendship.”
These account of SCBWI crit groups helped me understand that the organisation’s not negligible subscription could be money well spent, although other critique groups are available. I’ll end this section with one final comment:“Critique groups are wonderful when they are working well, but it can take time”

Finally, three more quick suggestions:

If distance is a problem, an Email Group can be wonderful. One of my favourite support structures is a simple, small and confidential writer’s email group. At the most basic level, the “members” – friends would be a better word -  report in daily on their word count or their progress on their written work. The group’s aim, originally, was not to be another “discussion” group but purely a group that offered encouragement and motivation - and a kind of listening ear. The group’s not very strict and every so often, other topics creep into the emails - the sorts of frets and rants of frustration you can only share with other writers and the big and small successes that it’s a joy to share - but after a short burst, the group will self-sets itself too: everyone knows the main purpose is to get the words done. Confidentiality and trust are essential, but wise words, commiserations and practical advice are there when require. 

If you are stuck, try a Performance Group or Class. Sometimes it’s good to practice new skills or try out another form of writing. My local theatre, for example, ran a weekly writing group, originally with a tutor, later without. Twice a year, the theatre put on a “new writing festival” where a dozen or more short themed plays were performed as well as a special evening when two or three longer pieces were staged. These performances gave the writing group a focus for their work and skills, at least until the theatre was put under new management. I know of a Poetry Writing Group that meets in a pub and performs their poems once a month. There’s nothing like facing peril together to bond a group’s members. Although neither group is about the writing of a novel, both heighten an awareness of the sound of one’s own writing.

Lastly, there is always a slightly sideways step: a Writer’s Reading Group which offers support, if of a slightly remote kind. Some writers who’d been part of the Playwriting Group moved on to other, different personal work. It was soon clear that the styles, interests and life matters made it impossible for them to continue as a whole “writing group”. However, wanting to keep in touch, they became a poetry reading group. Each month, they meet to study a particular poet, bringing along examples of poems or, on other evenings, reading a mixture of favourite poems. This central focus keeps the door sociably open, allowing for personal writing to be discussed as well as keeping the writers alert to the power of words.

Enough! There are many other forms of support, including writer’s lunches and gatherings, not to mention Writer’s Conferences like those in York and Bath this coming weekend or various writing retreats, and . . . and . . . 

Yes, writing is a solitary life – and most writers love that aspect of it – but sometimes it’s necessary to come out of the shadows and say hello to the wider world of humans. What seems to be important in all these writing groups and partnerships? Sharing what you need to share. Fairness, respect for each other and each other's strengths, skills and differences. A certain equality of purpose and values. Sensitivity, good manners and friendship - as well as quite a large amount of food and drink!


If you have any good examples of writer support, do tell us about them. Thanks –and special thanks to all who helped with the content of this post.

Happy writing!


Penny Dolan