tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post2537721339059618314..comments2024-03-18T17:05:21.126+00:00Comments on An Awfully Big Blog Adventure: Memorable Characters - Katherine LangrishUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-50811538046080923412009-10-10T15:16:18.917+01:002009-10-10T15:16:18.917+01:00Can I add Jenkins to the list - from Clifford D Si...Can I add Jenkins to the list - from Clifford D Simak's classic 'City' ... and all the characters in Connie Willis' Domesday ... <br />Interesting comment about Lord of the Rings - when I saw the film trailer I knew instantly who all the characters were, and they looked absolutely right - unlike in some films of books when the characters look nothing like the way you imagined them in your head ...madwippitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02595748471651052552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-52510404838778660782009-08-09T03:42:30.620+01:002009-08-09T03:42:30.620+01:00several in de lint's books:
jilly
christy
...several in de lint's books:<br /><br />jilly <br /><br />christy<br /><br />tamson house (maybe not a person but certainly a character)<br /><br />blue<br /><br />kiyote jackTanyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02206933422531507061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-89612075333123917052009-08-09T00:08:45.834+01:002009-08-09T00:08:45.834+01:00Hi Jan ! Nice to see you here. Of course, Pippi ...Hi Jan ! Nice to see you here. Of course, Pippi Longstocking should join the list. <br /><br />And, Anne, glad to be reminded of the excellent John Wyndham, though I don't think his characters are especially memorable. Most of his narrators sound alike - open-minded, pleasant, youngish middle class men. I enjoy his books immensely (The Kraken Wakes is my favourite) but not for the characters, although I like the little biy in 'Chocky'.Katherine Langrishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12529700103932422873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-37812599953230551752009-08-08T06:59:58.526+01:002009-08-08T06:59:58.526+01:00H G Wells and John Wyndham manage characterisation...H G Wells and John Wyndham manage characterisation, as far as I can remember - though it's a long time since I read much. (I did read Day of the Triffids to Big Bint as a bed-time story only 5 or 6 years ago.) Saramago's Blindness is very strong on character. And there's Margaret Atwood, of course. But I'm not really a fantasy/SF person so I don't read the 'hard' ones in which technology and space predominate so I wouldn't dream of saying how typical or otherwise these few are :-)Stroppy Authorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16560035800075465845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-53322983478936419612009-08-07T23:02:43.870+01:002009-08-07T23:02:43.870+01:00Hi Katherine!
I agree with your partial list, but ...Hi Katherine!<br />I agree with your partial list, but as a Swede i miss "Pippi Longstocking" by our "icon" Astrid Lindgren.<br />Best wishes!<br />from<br />Jan Lindqvist<br /><br />PS. I love this site! DS.Jan Lindqvistnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-50046198546664996262009-08-07T10:00:43.998+01:002009-08-07T10:00:43.998+01:00Here's something interesting to add to the mix...Here's something interesting to add to the mix. I remember when the film version of The Lord of the Rings was first cast. I saw the four actors intended to play the hobbits in the Fellowship, and I knew without checking who would play whom. Granted, Sam was easy (the most yokel-looking) as was Frodo (handsome, starry expression) but the revelation was how easily Merry and Pippin (Dominic Monaghan and Billy Boyd) could be distinguished. People do often think of those two as less well-defined, almost identical twins - and yet, at a glance, I could tell who was whom from their faces.<br />How was that possible? It could only mean that Tolkien had done a better job of characterisation than first appears. As had the Casting Director.Nick Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11307045090887391553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-30133174052955403882009-08-06T20:49:43.040+01:002009-08-06T20:49:43.040+01:00And now I think about it, why why WHY has there ne...And now I think about it, why why WHY has there never been a Stainless Steel Rat movie?Gillian Philiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17775401199564200537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-28069878240430600212009-08-06T20:23:51.370+01:002009-08-06T20:23:51.370+01:00I can't begin to think, because John has just ...I can't begin to think, because John has just sent me into a weepy bout of timewarp nostalgia. Slippery Jim diGriz! Oh my! The Stainless Steel Rat! Oh, there was a character. Sigh.Gillian Philiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17775401199564200537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-76332828430703631022009-08-06T19:11:23.635+01:002009-08-06T19:11:23.635+01:00Fair point about Calvin, Kath - perhaps she was co...Fair point about Calvin, Kath - perhaps she was consistent rather than rounded, although I do remember one in which she was brought out of retirement which fleshed her out a tiny bit more ("Feminine Intuition", it was called). And I haven't read the Bailey/Olivaw stories in, erp, decades (Bailey was the human robot-hating detective who was lumbered with Olivaw as a partner and slowly grew to respect him).<br /><br />Maybe a better example would be Harrison's Slippery Jim diGriz? What do other readers think?John Doughertyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11937505376169411724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-48050827711217375452009-08-06T15:31:32.831+01:002009-08-06T15:31:32.831+01:00I agree with you about Sam Gamgee and Gollum. And ...I agree with you about Sam Gamgee and Gollum. And I can recall Susan Calvin, now you mention her, though I seem to remember her as a bit of a caricature of an uptight woman scientist. I actually can't bring Elijah Bailey to mind at all. Daneel Olivaw was a robot, I know - erm, but that's all I can remember, and I did read the books, though it was a long time ago. But I've never really gone back to them, and the generally thin-on-the-ground level of characterisation has been the main reason why.Katherine Langrishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12529700103932422873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-79899573078055330322009-08-06T15:19:34.951+01:002009-08-06T15:19:34.951+01:00To be fair, the whole point of Bilbo Baggins was t...To be fair, the whole point of Bilbo Baggins was that he turned out to be Not Like Other Hobbits, and he's distinctive and memorable - as is dear old Gollum, of course. But then, The Hobbit is a children's book. Regarding LOTR, I agree with you about Legolas and Gimli, and by extension a lot of the other characters too; but I think I'd know Sam Gamgee anywhere.<br /><br />As for SF: names that spring to mind are Asimov's Susan Calvin, Elijah Bailey & R. Daneel Olivaw, and NDR-1 (The Bicentennial Man, and no, I haven't seen the film); and Spender from Bradbury's The Last Martian. <br /><br />And of course we've all met unmemorable characters in children's books. But broadly, I think you're absolutely right. A great and thought-provoking post, Kath, thank you; and Yay! for kidslit!John Doughertyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11937505376169411724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-87991294293039361922009-08-06T15:15:03.303+01:002009-08-06T15:15:03.303+01:00Hal - of course!Hal - of course!Katherine Langrishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12529700103932422873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-55749993795492655942009-08-06T15:02:42.415+01:002009-08-06T15:02:42.415+01:00Hal is the character in 2001: Space Odyssey. And ...Hal is the character in 2001: Space Odyssey. And the hero of Bester's 'The Stars My Destination' is memorable - even though I can't remember his name! I remember his ferocity and implacable determination though.Sue Pricenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-32874661314695857032009-08-06T14:08:35.605+01:002009-08-06T14:08:35.605+01:00Mmm. I'm not saying there are NO memorable ch...Mmm. I'm not saying there are NO memorable characters in fantasy. I try very hard to write memorable characters myself! Some of the characters in my list come from fantasies (in the loose sense, which I think is the best sense. The Moomin books are fantasies, aren't they? And the Alice books? Discuss.) But a writer can't always do everything in a book, and I think you are right that in hard sci-fi, ideas predominate. All the same, it's wonderful to come across a sci-fi book in which the characters are less wooden. Do you know 'A Canticle for Leibowitz'?Katherine Langrishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12529700103932422873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-54104054940680684522009-08-06T13:57:58.694+01:002009-08-06T13:57:58.694+01:00I suppose when you have 'hard' SF or fanta...I suppose when you have 'hard' SF or fantasy, the ideas become pre-eminent and the characters merely serve to frame them. The monolith in 2001, for example, comes across as a character as much as the astronauts do.<br /><br />Mervyn Peake, as you say, is an interesting exception. But then Titus Groan and its sequels don't try to carry many fantasy ideas; there is no magic or supernature, just grotesque scenery and characters. So it probably has more in common with Dickens than with Tolkien.Nick Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11307045090887391553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-40605642076066775212009-08-06T12:33:26.007+01:002009-08-06T12:33:26.007+01:00You're right: Terry Pratchett has some pretty ...You're right: Terry Pratchett has some pretty good characters. Commander Vimes is a good example. But comedy relies on good main characters, doesn't it? We need to care about them or we won't find them funny/appealing, like Charlie Chaplin's Little Tramp.Katherine Langrishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12529700103932422873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-90661792073512778992009-08-06T11:16:59.132+01:002009-08-06T11:16:59.132+01:00Interesting that you mention Arthur C. Clarke. His...Interesting that you mention Arthur C. Clarke. His characters are, as you say, often 2D at best. That said, I felt that in 2001: A Space Odyssey this works, bizarrely, as a strength. The scale of the events is so monumental that the absence of character in Dave Bowman and Frank Poole (there, some names!) seems to highlight the insigificance of humanity in the infinite universe. They are, almost literally, 'nothing'. To give them depth would have softened that terrible feeling of insigificance. (Also, being as bland as they are, they also make very convincing astronauts: super-competent but very self-contained, with no visible flaws and few quirks).<br /><br />Now trying to think of my favourite fantasy characters. You're right, it is quite tricky. Terry Pratchett, as primarily comedy, doesn't really count - all his characters sparkle.Nick Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11307045090887391553noreply@blogger.com