tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post6773913102611770858..comments2024-03-25T09:56:16.164+00:00Comments on An Awfully Big Blog Adventure: Feeling the Way - Heather DyerUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-23687336361648682782015-06-05T11:26:05.766+01:002015-06-05T11:26:05.766+01:00It isn't so much programming in emotions as it...It isn't so much programming in emotions as it is emotions being part of what it means to think. The idea that we would be able to write enough rules to simulate intelligence died in the 70's. Now we are trying to create a framework on which thinking can grow. Which means an AI would be just as fallible as a human in many ways. They will still be fast and have direct access to machine interfaces though.<br /><br />There is a lot of hand-waving among believers in the Singularity. How does a mind with sub-human intelligence reprogram itself when it required human intelligence to get it where it was to begin with? If it's got sufficient ability to be sneaky and persuasive, why can't it realise that destroying civilisation is not an efficient method of achieving its goal? It's a disinformation problem and worrying about them is psychotherapy, not science.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09799125598133377058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-83708064565377135542015-06-05T06:33:29.193+01:002015-06-05T06:33:29.193+01:00Program in emotions, Susan?! Blimey. Interesting p...Program in emotions, Susan?! Blimey. Interesting post on AI here:<br /><br />http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-1.html<br /><br />Heather Dyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16663116147353986746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-17512569360404909602015-06-04T21:00:17.630+01:002015-06-04T21:00:17.630+01:00I didn't know that, Nick, and it makes a lot m...I didn't know that, Nick, and it makes a lot more sense as 'I am conscious...'<br /><br />Heather, I don't know much about AI, but as I understand it, they're moving towards a position where a kind of 'emotion and feeling' would have to be programmed into the robot for it to be able to think and make decisions in anywhere close to a human way.<br /><br />Imagine trying to decide, for instance, whether a legal decision is 'fair' or 'unfair' without some degree of emotion or fellow feeling. How do you even define 'fair' or 'unfair' without it?Susan Pricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07738737493756183909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-90543897539529981522015-06-03T22:07:46.022+01:002015-06-03T22:07:46.022+01:00Interesting point about Descartes, Nick, I'm s...Interesting point about Descartes, Nick, I'm sure you're right. Does what we mean by 'conscious' include an awareness of our feelings though? I'm not sure - but being more conscious of them seems like a good thing... Heather Dyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16663116147353986746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-59809428861783828842015-06-03T20:39:39.064+01:002015-06-03T20:39:39.064+01:00P.s. And I really don't think our culture valu...P.s. And I really don't think our culture values thinking! At All!Nick Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08191176209084540085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-64471860909818731982015-06-03T20:37:24.674+01:002015-06-03T20:37:24.674+01:00Descartes didn't mean 'think' in that ...Descartes didn't mean 'think' in that sense. Cogito is best translated as 'I am conscious' or close enough. It's a saying too often misinterpreted. He meant precisely what Kundera meant.Nick Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08191176209084540085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-68683396769282719382015-06-03T14:23:43.049+01:002015-06-03T14:23:43.049+01:00Thanks all - and Susan, yes I've been curious ...Thanks all - and Susan, yes I've been curious about AI too, and the claims that it will do everything we do, and exponentially better, until it overtakes us. But machines don't die or feel, so surely they're not the same as us at all... confusing. <br />Heather Dyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16663116147353986746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-87795070879322709772015-06-03T11:59:58.514+01:002015-06-03T11:59:58.514+01:00Sadly true, Susan - would that it weren't so.....Sadly true, Susan - would that it weren't so... Lovely post, Heather. My partner has got more and more fascinated with birds over the last few years, and it's really changed the way we walk in the countryside, and the sort of things we notice.C.J.Busbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12288574235370421625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-29764820202414922992015-06-03T11:20:44.703+01:002015-06-03T11:20:44.703+01:00Great post, Heather. I think researchers studying ...Great post, Heather. I think researchers studying Artificial Intelligence are coming more and more to the conclusion that you cannot divide emotion and feeling from 'logic' as we used to imagine. And, that even if you could, you wouldn't 'improve' our thinking by making it purely logical.<br /><br />They inform each other. Imagine political decisions made with no emotion, no fellow-feeling for another... Oh, perhaps you don't have to imagine, just lately.Susan Pricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07738737493756183909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-58050677494808689282015-06-03T09:01:42.686+01:002015-06-03T09:01:42.686+01:00I suspect my main feeling when writing is "I ...I suspect my main feeling when writing is "I want stop now and eat some chocolate". Something I admit I do try and ignore...<br /><br />But this is a very thoughtful piece - thank you. I'm starting something new at the moment, and you're right, it's not enough to just "think" it through - it's also a matter of feeling my way through the story, giving it time, and making choices about what "feels" right.Emma Barneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02718171070716804800noreply@blogger.com