tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post2577513297275152868..comments2024-03-25T09:56:16.164+00:00Comments on An Awfully Big Blog Adventure: Head-Hopping Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-17427842890755765962013-08-20T21:50:58.285+01:002013-08-20T21:50:58.285+01:00Interesting post. I 'head hop' quite a lot...Interesting post. I 'head hop' quite a lot and only recently had to be taken in hand by my editor and told firmly to rewrite a chapter from a consistent pov. (She's not a dragon, she lets me hop happily, but wants consistency in any one scene, as you say, Karen). I feel a bit as if I'm 'learning on the job' with much of this pov stuff, it's not something I ever really consciously noticed when reading or planned when writing.C.J.Busbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12288574235370421625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-83643099039903253752013-08-18T10:55:55.446+01:002013-08-18T10:55:55.446+01:00Neil Gaiman uses a head-hopping pov brilliantly, e...Neil Gaiman uses a head-hopping pov brilliantly, eg in The Graveyard Book. I see no problem with it as long as it's done consistently and deliberately. Done well, it's a perfectly natural and traditional way of using 3rd person pov. The time it becomes a problem is when you're in one pov and then suddenly/randomly switch into another one for convenience. <br /><br />I'm writing a complicatedly switching pov novel at the moment and I've been wrestling all the povs into place to create what I hope will be a natural consistency, so that the reader always knows whose pov the scene or mini-scene is from. I regard as nothing more than a camera switching subjects. Nicola Morganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07847390687632715336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-65022096813311040762013-08-16T10:39:56.407+01:002013-08-16T10:39:56.407+01:00Um, I think you mean the Graeae. The gorgons had ...Um, I think you mean the Graeae. The gorgons had the normal number of eyes! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-16855001977115835532013-08-14T13:15:54.448+01:002013-08-14T13:15:54.448+01:00A good point, Richard. Each character's 'v...A good point, Richard. Each character's 'voice' needs to be different and identifiable as that character, otherwise it doesn't work.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11716058361689251073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-77038814331068661022013-08-14T12:25:05.560+01:002013-08-14T12:25:05.560+01:00As a reader, I found that with first person multi-...As a reader, I found that with first person multi-viewpoint I wasn't getting enough cues to tell me who I was. For me at least, just a chapter heading seems to be insufficient. I think it would be desirable to have a significant change in voice as well.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09799125598133377058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-48789504030731494892013-08-14T11:47:18.279+01:002013-08-14T11:47:18.279+01:00Second person, Richard? Now that's an interest...Second person, Richard? Now that's an interesting viewpoint. Must pop over and see how they tackle that.<br /><br />And yes, you will find published books with 'head hopping'. I'm just passing on information that editors tell me hoping to help other writers. It's a rule most writers hate and struggle with.:)Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11716058361689251073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-87755687730079299792013-08-14T11:23:17.188+01:002013-08-14T11:23:17.188+01:00First person head-hopping in YA: The Blue Girl by ...First person head-hopping in YA: The Blue Girl by Charles de Lint<br /><br />And for the adventurous, second person (adult, no head-hopping): Halting State by Charles Stross<br /><br />Both have got Look Inside on Amazon, but the former doesn't have enough to show a head-hop.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09799125598133377058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-62722798279825044422013-08-14T10:55:15.205+01:002013-08-14T10:55:15.205+01:00Keren, I've read your book When 'I Was Joe...Keren, I've read your book When 'I Was Joe', and think you write first person brilliantly. I do agree that 'head hopping' can be interesting sometimes but editors (at least my editors!) are really strict about it in children's books so I always tell new writers not to do it. Experienced and well-known writers can, of course, get away with breaking these 'rules'.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11716058361689251073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-37050355222461555002013-08-14T10:52:04.057+01:002013-08-14T10:52:04.057+01:00Penny, I'm always told by editors to stick to ...Penny, I'm always told by editors to stick to the main character's viewpoint even when writing in third person. If your story is told through multiple viewpoints then you should start a new chapter or at least a new scene for that viewpoint. Editors seems really strict on this. Multiple viewpoints can be told in first person too, as Melvin Burgess does in Junk and as I'm doing in my new book, but you need to make it clear when the character viewpoint changes. Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11716058361689251073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-5698365135870938442013-08-13T22:48:22.468+01:002013-08-13T22:48:22.468+01:00As someone who (so far) only writes first person, ...As someone who (so far) only writes first person, I'd have thought that the occasional bit of head hopping is the great advantage of third person. When I think about books that I enjoyed as a kid (Antonia Forest's MArlow family series, for example) I'm sure that the head-hopping was one of my favourite things. Keren Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13121027210783177857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-25632044874859747892013-08-13T17:18:15.125+01:002013-08-13T17:18:15.125+01:00Presumably 1/ and 2/ only hold strictly if you are...Presumably 1/ and 2/ only hold strictly if you are telling the story in first person? <br /><br />Or are you saying for children's books you should always stick to one person's POV even in third person?<br /><br />Presumably 3/ relates to stories in third person. The ability to switch heads is (for me) one of the big advantages of using third person. Plus you also have the option of using omniscient POV at the start and end of scenes and chapters and then shifting into a character's POV.<br />Phttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03245855915168999666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-46408795159675437282013-08-13T13:32:02.399+01:002013-08-13T13:32:02.399+01:00Terry Pratchett is an amazing writer, Richard. Tha...Terry Pratchett is an amazing writer, Richard. Thanks for the info about Snuff, I'll check it out. :)Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11716058361689251073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-22943309644790076982013-08-13T13:30:38.378+01:002013-08-13T13:30:38.378+01:00Thank you, ghostwriter. :)Thank you, ghostwriter. :)Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11716058361689251073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-22518248736951984032013-08-13T12:21:01.148+01:002013-08-13T12:21:01.148+01:00Terry Pratchett is a master at saying anything he ...Terry Pratchett is a master at saying anything he wants while staying in viewpoint. When that's not enough he makes Omniscient work seamlessly. See the first page of Snuff for example.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09799125598133377058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-69793896521035906632013-08-13T12:11:38.743+01:002013-08-13T12:11:38.743+01:00Thanks a lot with this ideas.. It helps me a lot.....Thanks a lot with this ideas.. It helps me a lot..ghostwriterhttp://instantauthorevent.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-2025879773711892142013-08-13T09:56:00.904+01:002013-08-13T09:56:00.904+01:00You're right, Pippa, picture books are brillia...You're right, Pippa, picture books are brilliant for showing 'look behind you' stuff to the reader and the kids love this kind of thing. And Sue, no it's not just you I think multiple viewpoints can work in some adult novels written by an experienced writer. Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11716058361689251073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-5211425265130071022013-08-13T09:06:15.179+01:002013-08-13T09:06:15.179+01:00I must admit, I struggle with this rule that there...I must admit, I struggle with this rule that there must only be one point of view in a children's book. As a reader, I'm perfectly happy in, for instance, a detective novel, with multiple viewpoints, and although I know it's what required, I don't actually see the logic in only being allowed to get inside one character's head. There! I've confessed! Is it just me?Sue Purkisshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09084528571944803477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7780182174577095197.post-5253890068723899022013-08-13T08:45:26.327+01:002013-08-13T08:45:26.327+01:00My tip is to enjoy portraying multiple viewpoints ...My tip is to enjoy portraying multiple viewpoints via illustration in picture books. Yes, the text will stick with a steady narrator voice or a main protagonist point of view, but we readers can SEE that somebody making faces behind the back of that unaware person, and that makes for tension and humour of a kind that words alone can't achieve.Pippa Goodharthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17709422048047155208noreply@blogger.com